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Daughertyjszh
Posts: 1
Registered: 01-31-2012

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

DON'T SHOP AT BEST BUY!!!   THEY HAVE AN  ABSURD 30 DAY RETURN POLICY WHERE YOU CANNOT EVEN EXCHANGE ITEMS, NOT EVEN FOR ITEMS OF GREATER VALUE.  THE ITEM WAS STILL WRAPPED AND UNOPENED AT 32 DAYS. THIS POOR CORPORATE POLICY IS A SURE SIGN OF BEST BUYS DESPERATION TO INCREASE LAGGING SALES DESPITE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. HOWEVER, CUSTOMERS WHO PURCHASE MORE THAN $2500 PER CALENDAR YEAR HAVE 45 DAYS TO RETURN ITEMS. UNBELIEVABLE! GREAT WAY TO TREAT NEW CUSTOMERS. POOR DECISION CORPORATE. I WILL NOT SHOP THERE AGAIN! DO NOT SHOP THERE!

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skeelo58
Posts: 23
Registered: 12-23-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

You guys do know that if you paid with a credit card, you just have to call your credit card company, don't you?  Tell then that you attempted to return the merchandise, but they refused.  They will do a chargeback on the card.  Simple as that.  Visa is awesome about doing chargebacks.  I don't know about Mastercard though, but I believe it is pretty similar.  

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magicalwizard
Posts: 32
Registered: 12-08-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

I have 45 days to return items and they still refused my items.  They don't care no matter what !    They have become a joke and I won't be shopping at Best Buy anymore.

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magicalwizard
Posts: 32
Registered: 12-08-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

I did filed a dispute with my credit card company (American Express) and they told them that the manager said that the items were in unreturnable condition.  This was a lied since never no manager said that and some items were not even open and the ones that were opened the condition was like new and no problem.  This was an "excuse" they gave the credit card company to avoid the chargeback.  Also they send them their return policy, which they send me a copy of of it and now it clearly says there "Best Buy has the right to refuse any item for any reason".  So right there with that line they are covered and guess they get away with hit. 

Shame on you Best Buy !     I can wait for you to go out of business.   

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skeelo58
Posts: 23
Registered: 12-23-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

I am unaware of American Express' chargeback policies.  I only know Visa's.  Visa is VERY customer-centric.  All that they require is that the cardholder ATTEMPT to return the merchandise.  Return policies DO NOT MATTER unless properly disclosed.  For Visa, just writing it on the receipt is not considered proper disclosure, because A) you didn't sign the receipt, you signed the little box thingy at the counter after you swiped your card.  And B) the words on Best Buy's receipt are not 1/4 in height.  I kid you not, the letters have to be 1/4 inch in height to be considered proper disclosure.  

If you would have paid with your Visa card, after Best Buy refused your return, you would have called your CC company.  They would have done a chargeback against Best Buy.  It would then be up to Best Buy to PROVE that proper disclosure was issued (which is impossible for them to do, because you did not physically sign the receipt).  Best Buy would try to fight it, but in Visa's eyes, you are in the right.  Your CC would fight this for you, possibly take it to arbitration, where they would win, and then Best Buy would be responsible for the 250 dollar arb fee, as well as the 250 dollar ruling fee.  

So, in the future, if it at all possible, PAY WITH YOUR VISA CARD.  

P.S., why do you think Best Buy aligns themselves with Mastercard?  Because Mastercard is very business-centric, and tends to side with merchants over customers.  

 

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magicalwizard
Posts: 32
Registered: 12-08-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

skeelo58:  I am very aware of ALL credit card companies policies.  I have a business and have a merchant account and I accept all credit cards.  Been for years.  Because of this I am required to be up to date with credit card companies policies and all that so I can be in compliance with my business. 

The process is the same with all of them when you file a dispute and if the store is wrong and the customer is right then of course you will get the credit.  
It doesn't matters if a credit card company sides  more with customers or business.  Chargeback procedures with credit cards are the same.  

Regarding the size of the information that has to be (as you mentioned when it comes to VISA policies)  it does not matters as long the store/business policies are posted at the place of business and on the receipt.  I verified this with Visa to make sure.  Also this not only a credit card policy but also is the law. That is why when a business is taken to court for something like this the judge always looks carefully and  with great importance about where and how their policies are posted and disclosed to customers.  

 

Regarding not signing the receipt, you are signing and acknowledging for the purchase when you sign on the electronic box.  Most stores now have that system like that to sign and is the same (equivalent) of signing the actual paper receipt.  Some stores have it that your signature is printed on the receipt when you sign.  Those that still have it to sign the actual receipt eventually will be upgrading to the signing on the electronic box.  It is part of the technology this days.  That is part of the merchant equipment offered to the stores and just like the actual paper receipt says under where you sign - "I agree to pay the above amount in accordance with card holder agreement" - the same applies to when you sign electronically.  They are storing in an electronic format your signature.  

 

Regarding the American Express that I paid with, I have a green card.  I did contacted them back regarding the ridicolous response from Best Buy to them and after I explained them and gave them more important information they did another dispute with Best Buy with the new information.  As of this date still waiting to hear back.  I am sure I will be getting back my money at the end.  

Eitherway, it does not matters to me anymore what Best Buy continues to do the way they are doing business.  They have lost my business and I will be telling others not to shop there and about my experience with them.  Also from doing some research I have also found out from other people that they had it with Best Buy too and not doing any business with them any longer.  The way they are going it, is just a matter of time for them to put themselves out of business.   


For anyone that wants to read it, here you can find Best Buy Store Exchange and Return Policy: 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Help-Topics/In-Store-Return-Policy/pcmcat204400050028.c?id=pcmcat2044000...





 

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magicalwizard
Posts: 32
Registered: 12-08-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

I wanted to add that earlier in the posting I did mentioned that I got my money back by having someone else returning the items for me.  My other most recent post about the credit card dispute is for another 1 single item that I tried to returned and they denied.  That is what the credit card dispute talk is about.  

Just wanted to clarify that since I realized such about my originally posts.  Thanks.  

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skeelo58
Posts: 23
Registered: 12-23-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

Not to get into a shouting contest with you, but I beg to differ on the Visa policies.  You may own a business, but I deal with Visa policies as a job.  

What you have described is a Reason Code 85 (Credit not processed, aka Buyer's Remorse), Condition 1.  

This is straight from the Visa chargeback policy manual.  I have bolded all the important parts, but feel free to read the whole thing.  

 What Constitutes Proper Disclosure? 
Cardholders should be made aware of the merchant’s return policy at the time of purchase.  When not properly disclosed, a chargeback is valid when the merchant : does not accept a return/cancellation, does not credit for the full amount, or only issues "in-store" credit. The following guidelines are offered will assist in clarifying what constitutes proper disclosure. 
• The merchant’s cancellation/refund policy disclosure must be clear and concise, and must not be open to interpretation. 
• Refund policy must be legibly printed in letters approximately .25 inches high near the cardholder signature area. Note: It may also be initialed. 
• A mail order merchant must include disclosure of its refund policy on the order form. invoice, or contract. 
• An electronic commerce merchant must communicate its refund policy during the order process and require the cardholder to select a "click to Accept” or other affirmative button to acknowledge the policy before completing the transaction.  The merchant’s refund policy must not be on a separate screen that the customer has to click to open. 
• If the cancellation/refund policy is on the back of a receipt, the cardholder must sign or initial the back of the receipt as evidence of proper disclosure. 
• If the refund policy is embedded within the pages of a multi-page contract, the cardholder must initial that particular section of the contract for the policy to be considered properly disclosed. 
It is not proper disclosure when cardholder signs a electronic signature capture pad when the disclosure (i.e. All Sales Final, No Refunds) is not on the pad.  Even though the receipt contains the policy the cardholder was not made aware of it prior to signing it. 
Verbal Disclosures: 
Verbal or store signs is proper disclosure when the cardholder acknowledges they were informed of the policy at time of purchase. 
• If merchant indicates verbal or store signs disclosed policy, your case needs to include the cardholder’s rebuttal indicating disclosure was not provided. 
• Proof of merchant disclosure can not be a recorded phone call. 
 Disclosure Verbiage: 
NO REFUND” - Merchant that does not accept merchandise in return or exchange, or issue a refund to the Cardholder. 
EXCHANGE ONLY” - Merchant that only accepts merchandise in immediate exchange for similar merchandise of a price equal to the original Transaction amount. 
IN-STORE CREDIT ONLY” - Merchant that only accepts merchandise in return and delivers an in-store credit that equals the value of the returned merchandise and must be used at the Merchant’s place of business. 

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As long as the customer says that they were not verbally told that returns were not allowed, or that there were no large signs stating no returns are accepted, the customer would win in a chargeback arbitration.   So even if the cashier were to say "you have 30 days to return or exchange blah blah blah", all the customer has to do is say "Nope, they never told me anything".  They don't have to prove anything.  Nothing.  Zip, Zilch, Notta.  

Again, I am not looking at getting in a shouting contest with you, I am just listing all the proper Visa policies in case someone has a similar problem in the future.  

I wish I knew more about Discover, American Express, or Mastercard regs, but I don't!  :smileyhappy:   

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skeelo58
Posts: 23
Registered: 12-23-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

Regarding the size of the information that has to be (as you mentioned when it comes to VISA policies)  it does not matters as long the store/business policies are posted at the place of business and on the receipt.  I verified this with Visa to make sure.  Also this not only a credit card policy but also is the law. That is why when a business is taken to court for something like this the judge always looks carefully and  with great importance about where and how their policies are posted and disclosed to customers.  

 

Regarding not signing the receipt, you are signing and acknowledging for the purchase when you sign on the electronic box.  Most stores now have that system like that to sign and is the same (equivalent) of signing the actual paper receipt.  Some stores have it that your signature is printed on the receipt when you sign.  Those that still have it to sign the actual receipt eventually will be upgrading to the signing on the electronic box.  It is part of the technology this days.  That is part of the merchant equipment offered to the stores and just like the actual paper receipt says under where you sign - "I agree to pay the above amount in accordance with card holder agreement" - the same applies to when you sign electronically.  They are storing in an electronic format your signature.  

 

 

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Just wanted to point out that signing the box that says "I agree to pay the above amount in accordance with card holder agreement" simply means they agree to pay that amount.  It does not constitute proper disclosure of a return policy.  Hope this helps :smileyhappy:   And as long as the cardholder says they did not see the return policy sign (even if they are lying) or that they were not told of the return policy (once again, even if they are lying), they have a chargeback right, and would win, simply because there is no way that the merchant could prove that they did see the sign, or that they did verbally tell them.  

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kephael
Posts: 1
Registered: 12-08-2011

Re: Products Refused to Being Returned

It's unlikely that you would win an actual chargeback against a B&M retailer where you actually signed the signature pad and the card was physically used. However, many credit card companies have some sort of extended return policy where you can return the merchandise to the credit card issuer themselves. They also may be able to reimburse you for items that are damaged or stolen within 90 days of purchase.

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