10-03-2009 09:54 AM
I am adding my voice to the chorus.
Pre-optimization is a customer-unfriendly idea at best and is sneaky, exploitative, and underhanded at worst (if not downright criminal).
Two days ago, I picked out a thousand-dollar Vaio at Best Buy. The sales representative rang it up, I had my credit card out and was ready to swipe, and then he tries to shove the pre-optimization down my throat.
It boiled down to the fact that I could not have the laptop if I didn't pay extra for the optimization. I have several objections to being cornered like this.
First, if Best Buy shows a price for an item in the store, then that's the price it should be. Offering optional add-on warranties, extra services, and accessories, even at the point of sale, is perfectly acceptible because the customer retains the option of turning them down.
The pre-optimization that had been done to this computer was apparently not optional and honesty demands that the additional charge be indicated where the item is displayed. An even more honest approach would be some signage stating that $40 will be added onto the displayed price of every computer.
If you suspect that would hurt sales, I would agree (which ought to tell Best Buy something about the value of their pre-optimization service).
Second, the idea that someone opened the packaging used the computer before I did bothers me. How do I know all the cables, parts, and disks got back into the package? How do I know I am actually getting what I paid for? I have bought "open-box" items from Best Buy but I understand the conditions and they are priced lower accordingly. How is this any different? If I were picking out a Blu Ray player, a stereo, or a camera I wouldn't pick a package that had clearly been opened (if it were priced as new) and I suspect most consumers would do the same.
As above, if you think a sign stating that Best Buy opens all computer packaging, starts up the machines, and then tapes the boxes up again would hurt sales, that is a testament to the invalidity of this policy.
Finally, I am not an expert, but I am experienced enough to know that Best Buy's pre-optimization is an utter waste of money. Whatever changes are made to the computer are simply not worth what they are charging.
I am also certain that my idea of an optimized computer is going to be different from Best Buy's. No customer should have to pay extra for Best Buy's version of an optimized computer. If Best Buy wants to sell computers configured a certain way, they should order the computer in that condition from the manufacturer. Best Buy sells enough volume to demand a custom configuration (which would cut out potential revenue, so that is not likely to happen).
I would not be surprised to learn that Best Buy makes good money foisting pre-optimization off on the ignorant consumer masses, but it is a downright shameful practice.
In the end, after the sales representative and his supervisor drew their line in the sand, I put my card away and bought what I wanted from a different store.
The real shame was how satisfied the supervisor looked after having stood by whatever policy Best Buy has in place, rather than showing the slightest concern for the customer or trying to find some way to salvage the situation and still make the sale. There I was, at the register, ready to pay the given price, but when I balked at the charge for pre-optimization, Best Buy apparently preferred to forgo the sale entirely.
The pre-optimization service and policy needs to be changed. I have crossed Best Buy off my list as a computer vendor and there must be many others that have done the same.
10-03-2009 10:09 AM - edited 10-03-2009 10:10 AM
I agree with you and I will never buy a computer at BB because of the pre-optimaztion of almost all their computers in stock.
I am afraid you will not find much help here regarding the topic. The BB employees who hang out in these forums support the service and will only try to convince you that BB is only helping you in cleaning off all the bloatware that manufacuteres install.
I completly agree with you on someone else opening up computers and using them and then sealing up the box and selling it as new. We have beat that horse to death and BB doesn't see anything wrong with opening new products and then selling them at full price.
Just try and walk into a BB, buy a new laptop, walk out the door, open the box, and then come back in for a refund. BB will tell you that the computer is used and will hit you for a restocking fee.
Doesn'nt make sense. GS opens the box and the laptop is new.....customer opens the box and the laptop is used????
Good job on standing up to them about the pre-optimaztion. If more and more customers would just walk out the door because of this service then maybe BB would wake up and see that most people do not want this.
10-03-2009 07:19 PM
Starflyer59 wrote:I agree with you and I will never buy a computer at BB because of the pre-optimaztion of almost all their computers in stock.
I am afraid you will not find much help here regarding the topic. The BB employees who hang out in these forums support the service and will only try to convince you that BB is only helping you in cleaning off all the bloatware that manufacuteres install.
I completly agree with you on someone else opening up computers and using them and then sealing up the box and selling it as new. We have beat that horse to death and BB doesn't see anything wrong with opening new products and then selling them at full price.
Just try and walk into a BB, buy a new laptop, walk out the door, open the box, and then come back in for a refund. BB will tell you that the computer is used and will hit you for a restocking fee.
Doesn'nt make sense. GS opens the box and the laptop is new.....customer opens the box and the laptop is used????
Good job on standing up to them about the pre-optimaztion. If more and more customers would just walk out the door because of this service then maybe BB would wake up and see that most people do not want this.
Thats because the serivce is not just taking off "bloatware" but applies over 200 AgentTweeks (which Geek Squad has developed over the years), cleans the registry and creates restore discs for the client to use should they have a system failure. If that unit was indeed the last in stock, it should have been given to the client free of charge.
10-04-2009 09:42 AM
Corrected your post above.
JustusRyan wrote:
Thats because the serivce is not just taking off "bloatware" but applies over 200 AgentTweeks (which Geek Squad has ACQUIRED over the years),
10-04-2009 10:35 AM
Just Curious? Does GS provide a list of these tweaks to the customer or do we just have to take them at their word that they did the tweaks?
10-04-2009 12:19 PM
Starflyer59 wrote:Just Curious? Does GS provide a list of these tweaks to the customer or do we just have to take them at their word that they did the tweaks?
Most likely just gotta take their word for it. They would probably claim it as being a "Trade Secret"
10-04-2009 05:14 PM
The list is a trade secret but you can always tell when they have been done. The user account's data folder will be on the desktop after the tweaks have been run. The process is performed by software to ensure consistency.
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10-04-2009 05:14 PM
Just Curious? Does GS provide a list of these tweaks to the customer or do we just have to take them at their word that they did the tweaks?
A list does exist, yes, but it is not available outside of Best Buy internal operations.
10-05-2009 01:55 PM
Hello gatoseco -
Jacob, one of our Community Specialists, will be reaching out to you regarding your concern. Thank you for sharing your experience.
10-05-2009 08:20 PM
I guess I'll chime in and try to help out....
As far as I am aware, if a customer does not want a service that has been preset up on a computer, we have to sell the customer the comptuer without charging them for the services that have been done to the computer. This has been done in the past at our store.
The pre-setups, the optimization in this case, is done to many of the units because many people see the benefit, and I am sorry you don't. You lost me when you said you were not an expert, but know the optimization is a waste of money. Not being an expert, how can you make that call, if you are not familiar with what is going on?
"Second, the idea that someone opened the packaging used the computer before I did bothers me. How do I know all the cables, parts, and disks got back into the package? How do I know I am actually getting what I paid for? I have bought "open-box" items from Best Buy but I understand the conditions and they are priced lower accordingly. How is this any different? If I were picking out a Blu Ray player, a stereo, or a camera I wouldn't pick a package that had clearly been opened (if it were priced as new) and I suspect most consumers would do the same."
Best Buy is not going to open something, and change it out for something else, remove cables, or the like, with a name as big as it is, the company would simply not do that. And it is silly to think it would.
Computers come from the manufacturer the way they do, we simply offer services to clean up the junk the manufacturer sends you. And if you have used a computer that has not been optimized compared to one that has, you would see a different. It is as bright as day.
